I can hear it now from the Spitzer camp using this as a campaign ploy, I am all for the removal of the tolls on the 190 and will not appeal this court case, so elect me, I’m full of hot air and won’t do anything else for you unless forced to…
ooops, sorry, got carried away.
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WBEN 930 : Toll Lawsuit Can Move Forward
Buffalo, NY (WBEN) - Judge Joseph Glownia ruled Thursday arguments to have the Black Rock and Ogden tolls removed are valid. Shortly after the ruling the attorney representing those fighting the toll booths called it a major step forward.
Michael Powers tells NewsRadio 930 WBEN it’s only a matter of time now before the toll booths are history. He expects the tolls to be removed by the end of next year, and believes the state used its best arguments in court.
The state argued on several levesl the lawsuit looking to tear down the 190 tolls had no legal standing.
To hear Steve Cichon’s report, click on the above audio link.
So what’s the story with the Grand Island Bridges??
Where is the representation for the 144th assembly dictrict or the 60th senate district? The silence is deafening, it really is. What is Hoyt and Coppola tongue tied or are they just so wrapped up with the thruway authority they are afraid to come out publically to remove the tolls on the bridges….
They did come out a while ago with a statement saying the tolls need to go but I only saw it in one news source. Wow, such a huge effort on their part.


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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackIsn’t it a completely different issue with the Grand Island toll bridge because the State is able to get federal funding for the 190 tolls? Have you researched this issue thoroughly?
I just did a seach on the NYS Legislature website. It seems that both Assemblyman Hoyt and Senator Copolla have introduced legislation to remove the Grand Island Thruway tolls.
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A02556
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=S06965
I’m sure we’d have an easy time removing the tolls if the Thruway Authority wasn’t filled with George Pataki’s do-nothing patronage hacks.
It’s funny that in your world on Republicans have patronage hacks… like Dems don’t. They have more hacks in government by far.
Researched this, oh yes. I have been arguing to get rid of the tolls for years. Am I supposed to be impressed that they put forward that legislation? Hoyt has been playing this issue for years and has done nothing to get rid of them. How far will this go? No where. Funny how Byron Brown comes out now and says he was always for removing the tolls but did nothing either, if they were serious they would have been involved with this lawsuit.
The Dems might have patronage hacks, but it is quite evident that it is FACT that those on the Thruway Authority are in fact Republican patronage hacks.
I would also disagree with you that there are more Democratic patronage hacks. Being in charge of the State Executive branch has afforded them more opprotunity to have patronage hacks. This is not to say that the Democats are any more or less honest, they just haven’t had a chance.
Back to the Thruway Point. This is what you said:
So what’s the story with the Grand Island Bridges??
Where is the representation for the 144th assembly dictrict or the 60th senate district? The silence is deafening, it really is. What is Hoyt and Coppola tongue tied or are they just so wrapped up with the thruway authority they are afraid to come out publically to remove the tolls on the bridges.
Well, deductive logic would say, just by reading your little blog, that Copolla and Hoy have done nothing….that they are in fact scared to come out publically against removing the tolls. Well, they have introduced legislation saying that exact same thing. Maybe you could argue they haven’t pressed the issue enough, that they are working hard enough to round up the votes to pass the legislation. But, instead, you said they have done nothing. That makes you a liar. If I were either of them, I would demand a public apology for misrepresenting the facts.
It is clear by reading your blog, you care more about partison bickering than about fixing this region…and that type of leadership will not lead this area to prosoperity.
Your the one that has been bringing the partisan bickering over here Jack. Hoyt has done NOTHING for the 14 year he has been in the assembly. False promioses is all I have ever heard from him. He has never followed up on it.
I questioned Hoyt, Brown members of the thruway authority a few years back. They had no idea there was even a committee put together to evaluate the tolls including the Grand Island bridges. their results were never published and no one know the result.
They didn’t even care that it is against the Constitution to charge people to get home. I apologize for nothing. You and Adam are the ones bringing all the political bickering over here, anything the Republicans say is wrong and a bad idea. Get over it, nothing will ever get accomplished because none of them can work with the other.
You are right…nothing gets done in this State due largely to the political bickering.
Reading your blog, I don’t see how you would be an agent of change in this area. Your website is nothing more than an attack on Democrats. Thats fine if thats your thing…go right ahead. But do it honestly. Have some dignity.
If you think your ideas are better, you wouldn’t have to misrepresent the facts.
I agree with a lot of what you write on your blog, but I take it all with such a grain of salt because it seems to only be against Democrats and it seems to be 90% attack with no constructive arguments.
You don’t seem to have any ideas other than Democrats are bad, Municipal Unions are bad, Republicans are good. I’d bet you couldn’t name three Democrats you like because you are so partison.
Why don’t you tell us, if elected State Assemblyman, what would you do differently than what Sam Hoyt has done on this issue to remove the Grand Island Tolls.
Just three Democrats?
Kevin Rustowicz, Al Coppola, Cindy Locklear, Kathy Konst, Jim Griffin, Tom Souzzi, Judy Einach, Joe Golombek, Zell Miller, John Kennedy (JFK), Joe Kennedy, Ken Pryor, Ken Hamilton, Randall White……….
If I were in the assembly right now I would have jumped on board with the lawsuit that is in court. It would have been named in the lawsuit and included in the proceedings. I lay thet blame on not just Hoyt but also Marc Coppola, Pete McMahon and the Republican Town Board and Iannello. Not one of the elected reps in this district properly represented us in this lawsuit. That at least would be a start.
I beg to differ with you on me just saying Republicans are good. The Republican Party in this state has abandoned their own platform starting with Pataki. Republicans across the state are ready to sit home on election day because of it. I have written constantly about their inability to govern the way they were elected to do. When you elect someone for their platform and when they are elected they govern opposite it’s time to throw them off the ship.
In this state it is extremely difficult to win in the jerry mandered districts. The 60th senate district has 100,000 more Dems vs Repubs. A Repub has no chance of winning . This is all over the state so redistricting is an absolute neccessity.
I am surrounded by elected Democrats, Hoyt, Coppola, Iannello, Slaughter and none of them represent the majority of the peoples opinions, values and beliefs. Yet Repubs vote for repubs and Dems vote for Dems blindly or they stay home. When voter turn out is at 25 to 30% it is only the party faithful that vote. People are fed up and are either leaving or staying home on election day. That has to change.
If my website seems to be an attack on the Democrats it’s because they are the ones in control and in power in the districts that surround me, see above. They control the assembly, the county legislature and we may as well say the senate because Joe Bruno is no Republican.
When I cofounded Primary Challenge last year we were looking for all parties and that is what we had. Some of the best came forward. If I’m not mistaken we had more Dems than Repubs. http://primarychallenge.org/html/candidates.html I liked them all, we may have disagreed on some issues but we all had one focus and that was to change the way government works and to represent the people vs the parties.
I’m not a lawyer, but my guess would be that the State Assembly person joining the lawsuit would not effect the outcome. The only reason why someone in that position would have done so is to score cheap points for re-election. Isn’t it a better strategy to have some people going outside the established system and some people working it from the inside?
The reason that a Republican has no chance, btw, in a gerrymandered Democrat State Senate District is because it is the only way the GOP can keep in control of the Senate is because they squeeze every Democrat in a District they can. The State Assembly, by comparison, has a ratio very close to the ration of Dem and GOP members within the State.
What do you mean Joe Bruno is no Republican. Isn’t he registered a Republican, the Majority Leader of the Republican State Senate no less? I usually define being a Republican as someone who is a registered member of the Republican party. Is there some ultra-special test that I don’t know about?
Republicans hold the Presidency, the Governor and the County Executive’s seat. They hold both the US House of Reps, the US Senate, and the NYS Senate. They were the majority in the County Legislature for 2 of the past 5 years. It seems to me that Republicans are to blame for the majority of NYS’s and WNY’s woes.
When you complain that the Democratic officials don’t represent the values of the majority of the people, which values do you speak of? Union-bashing? Gay-bashing? Fighting a woman’s right to choose what to do to her own body? Or maybe it is crazy anti-business initiatives like paying minimum wage workers enough so they can get out of poverty? Are these some of the values Democratic officials have that you assert the majority of people don’t have???
You’ve already made up your mind Jack. Why should I bother wasting my time arguing trivial little points with you.
If you read all the posts that I have made you could see where I stand on all the issues. Take off your blinders.
Lucky for you I live in Crystal Peoples district then.
“When you complain that the Democratic officials don’t represent the values of the majority of the people, which values do you speak of? Union-bashing? Gay-bashing? Fighting a woman’s right to choose what to do to her own body? Or maybe it is crazy anti-business initiatives like paying minimum wage workers enough so they can get out of poverty?”
It’s Union abuses, stopping the promotion of the dangerous and unhealthy gay agenda, limiting a woman’s right to kill her own child, and who pays the mandated raised minimum wage? The one who supplies the jobs, who unlike govt, can’t tax the private-sector, the only productive workforce in this 0% job growth economy.
Which union abuses exactly? Health and safety requirements?
What unhealthy gay agenda? Marriage? or does guy on guy butt-sex offend you?
I won’t either respond to women killing her own child…
What is wrong with raising the minimum wage? Particularly in the retail industry - do you think Walmart, Target, K-Mart, etc. will leave the area if they are forced to pay $9.00 an hour…or do you think they will just raise their prices a few dollars? That way, maybe our taxes will go down because their workers will not be on public assistance - and lets face it, we all can afford to pay a $50 for a DVD player so their employees can feed their families!!!
“What unhealthy gay agenda? Marriage? or does guy on guy butt-sex offend you?”
Unh…no, death by lethal injection.
Jack, if it wasn’t for demagoguery as your source of knowledge, what would you do?
You’re whole argument for the minimum wage is so easy to destroy.
You first assume that Wal-Mart, Target, K-Mart all will all be affected by the minimum wage.
Last year . Lee Scott, Jr., the CEO of Wal-Mart publicly called for an increase in the minimum wage. Now how can that be? An evil exploiter of workers turned into a selfless champion of the proletariat? Hardly.
Wal-Mart pays its employees wages almost 50% higher than the federal minimum wage.
Increasing the mandatory federal minimum wage wouldn’t even affect them.
But it would affect their small, weaker competitors; you know the small mom and pop operations, the grocery stores, even Target and K-Mart. They all start employees at minimum wage or higher, but less than Wal-Mart pays.
It’s the oldest trick in the book, using government regulations to harm your competitors.
The result of arbitrary minimum wages set by your pure of heart government demagogues actually results in less competition and less jobs for those people you think you are helping, namely teenagers and the poor, especially minorities.
Furthermore, let me quote myself, something I wrote on another blog:
Aside from the economic fact that an arbitrarily set minimum price on labor hurts those people who it professes to help by pricing a small minority of people out of the market for entry level jobs or making those jobs disappear completely, the minimum wage is a political red herring. it is a sort of largess that politicians can hand out and coerce certain employers to pay for, making them appear noble and caring to their constituents.
There’s nothing more politically useful than tugging at the heartstrings of the inattentive voter, to divert the eye from the real problems that the politician would rather not face head on.
Let me first off by saying I find the use of 16 and 17 year olds as your primary source of labor as downright immoral. I think it would actually be better for society of they all lost there jobs and focused on school work and being teenagers.
Now, explain to me why we should care if mom and pop stores went out of business if we raised the minimum price of labor. Most of the busineeses that pay mimimum wage are retail which would be replaced in the marketplace by other retail businesses. Capitalism is vicious, so entrepreuneurs need to learn how to innovate (which Walmart has done within its supply chain) or die. The days of the “mom and pop grocery store” is over.
By not paying a living wage, you are advocating shifting the cost to the government….Wouldn’t you rather be taxed less by not paying for healthcare, food and energy for the working poor?
I would like to see the statistical proof that a raise in the minimum wage loses businesses as well. I have seen evidence to the contrary…and seeing how you are so sure of yourself Raymond….
Jack, it’s immoral for a 16 or 17 year old to work? What gives you the moral prerogative to decide for other people whether they have the right to work or not or too decide what’s right for society? When I was 16, I worked part time to pay for my car and buy stuff. That’s what being a teenager should be about, learning how to handle responsibility and learning working skills.
You’d have every kid hanging around on street corners or finding some less than honest method of making a buck because some prohibitionist decided that it’s immoral for them to work.
So, you know that capitalism is based on competition and innovation. GOOD.
But then again you are more than happy to use government to make it harder for competition and innovation. BAD!
Of course you don’t care what happens to a family business, what is it to you? It isn’t your sweat and blood that built it, or you that watched some government do-gooders tax and regulate you out into the poor house. The politically connected businessmen love the likes of you, you’re willing to help them destroy their competition and make themselves richer.
I’m not advocating shifting the cost to the government for anything. Government doesn’t belong in the charity business, or any business for that matter. Everything they touch becomes a wreck, be it healthcare, energy, education or the poverty business.
You can always tell when the government has its paws in something, prices always skyrocket, service is pathetic, product is in short supply, and the taxpayers and the customers are poorer. The only people that truly benefit are the bureaucrats and the cartels they create.
Statistics! Show me the statistics. Most economists agree that the minimum wage causes more unemployment, but statistics can not alone prove it one way or another. It depends on what kind of data you use, or whether the data is even valid. Can statistics show you the un-seen?
Statistic can’t show you the jobs that no longer exist because of the minimum wage or the jobs that would exist if it wasn’t a crime for 2 people to enter into a purely voluntary contract at a negotiated price.
Wow Rus, you are good at changing the subject when confronted with arguments you cant win! To get back the main point of this post, Hoyt and Coppola SUPPORT removing the tolls. end of story. you can bitch and complain that they dont, but you are simply wrong!
I changed the subject??? What thread are you reading, look at the names.
Where has Hoyt been all these years???? 14 years in the assembly and now and only now does he come out against the tolls. A minor blip in the screen, this is only because the people are now starting to be heard. It’s only taken forever and a day.
The toll lawsuit couldnt go forward untill the bonds were paid off…that happened recently. There were no grounds for a lawsuit untill that happened.
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